Posts by under the radar

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Trump in Prophecy

by Vanderhoven7 in

two weeks ago i got an email from a friend saying that according to a recent prophecy, trump would win the election by a landslide.

as i dug into it, i found the following:.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/57209-shocking-2011-prophecy-about-donald-trump-becoming-president.

Simon is absolutely right. This is BS from the get-go. The JW's do much the same thing when they try to explain away yet another prediction that proves false. I've actually heard from the platform, "Sometimes you can't understand a Bible prophecy until it is fulfilled." Well, duh! Anybody can point to some vague statement in the past than can be interpreted to fit the circumstances and say, "See! I told you so!" That approach defeats the whole purpose of "prophecy."

Trump didn't win in any landslide anyway. He did get the required number of electoral votes to win, but not by a huge margin. And it appears that Hillary actually got more popular votes that he did. Either way, it's much more of a razor thin victory than a landslide.

That said, he is in fact the President-elect. So we all have to just deal with it and do the best with whatever comes our way. He may surprise us. Reagan wasn't the greatest genius of all time, but (with Nancy's help) he surrounded himself with competent people and actually listened to them. I think Reagan's greatest strength (other than looking Presidential and being a gifted orator) was that he could give people an assignment and then get out of their way and let them do their jobs. I don't know if Trump can do that. We'll see...

By the way, this is not an endorsement of Trump, Reagan, or anyone else. All Presidents have their pluses and minuses, their devoted supporters and vehement opposers. This is just what I hope is an objective observer's viewpoint. I try to be pragmatic and just deal with the facts as they are. There are times when you can't change your circumstances, so you just adapt the best you can and move on. The main thing is to never give up.

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Jehovah's Witnesses DO break up families

by UnshackleTheChains in

this recording was the final straw for me.

https://youtu.be/ks2ld6pjybo.

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That first recording was heartbreaking! I couldn't bring myself to watch the second one.

The elders were conducting a veritable inquisition. How did you get to the airport? What about the other day when your parents were seen at your home? What busybodies! Modern day Pharisees in action.

I hope the young lady realizes how lucky she will be if she finally gets free of this mind-control cult and moves on with her life.

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November JW broadcast is up, this time on not telling the truth, shunning

by bohm in

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november broadcast is up:.

https://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=mp4&output=html&pub=jwb&issue=201611.

we learn interesting things.

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Just another steaming pile of "spiritual food™".

It is nothing short of endorsing and encouraging parents to use emotional blackmail and social coercion to keep their children trapped in the Truth©. It's not a matter of convincing them that it's the right way to go, based on a clear understanding of all the issues involved. It's making them choose between their beliefs and their family, forcing them to worship in a way that they find unacceptable. Hmmm... Those words seem familiar. Where, oh where, have I seen something like that before?

Oh yeah. Awake!, July 2009 issue, pages 28-29 had an article entitled "Is It Wrong To Change Your Religion?" It contained this statement: "No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family."

This disgusting video makes a mockery of that article, and that statement in particular. It is nothing less than institutionalized hypocrisy.

The Society's website's public statements regarding shunning and family members are excellent examples of the doublespeak used to control the masses in the book 1984. The leaders themselves have been proven to be mealy-mouthed tap dancing liars, likely the envy of many a politician. Just look at Jackson's testimony before the Australian Royal Commission, if you want a prime example, and if you can stomach it.

Shunning, as a means of compelling someone to do something against their free will, is:

* Emotional blackmail

* Social coercion

* Psychological extortion

* An evil and disingenuous practice that is reason enough on its own to prove that the JW's are a false religion masquerading as Christian while making a mockery of his teachings.

As far as I'm concerned, the Society has many more parallels to the Mafia, Stalinist Russia, and North Korea than to what they pretend to be.

They have also shown that they are self-righteous, presumptuous, and arrogant in the extreme. They often use "Jehovah" and the "organization" interchangeably, basically equating the two. Why else would they consider leaving the organization the same as leaving Jehovah? In my book, that's tantamount to blasphemy.

And they're hypocritical in another way too. They want to speak with the authority of God's spokesmen, but accept none of the responsibility when they get it wrong. "Yeah, that's too bad. Sorry about that. We were just imperfect men trying to do our best. We never said we were infallible or inspired. But by God, we have it right now! And questioning us is the same as questioning God. Remember what happened to Korah!"

Forking bastids!

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New movie by Mel Gibson 'Hacksaw ridge'

by barry in

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i just went to a pre screening of this movie about an adventist guy who didn't want to kill but joined the army as a medic on the front line.

desmond doss saved 75 men in one operation singlehanded on the island of okinawa where desmond worked lowering men down a 400ft cliff to safety.. i thought this may be of interest to jws because of the pacifist stand they also have.. the movie comes out on the 4 th november..

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During World War I, the "brethren" allowed themselves to be drafted but were expected to refuse to bear arms. The Army sent them into combat anyway, and I would imagine that at least some did as the protagonist in this movie did, and tried to do what they could to save lives. I don't know for sure whether the Society "allowed" their people to do non-combatant work for the military or not.

During World War II, JW's who weren't granted conscientious objector or 4D (Minister) status were expected to refuse induction and accept whatever sentence was handed down. JW's were not allowed to directly support the war effort in any way. I don't recall ever hearing that "alternative service" was offered as an option at that time.

At first during Vietnam, JW's who weren't grant conscientious objector or 4D (Minister) status were again expected to refuse induction and accept whatever sentence was handed down. At some point in the 60's, "alternative service," such as working at a hospital, began to be offered to such men as an alternative to prison. For a while, young JW men were told by their elders to refuse any such offers and not to even hint that they would be willing to perform such service in lieu of going to prison. Only if actually sentenced to alternative service could a young man accept the assignment and stay in good standing with the congregation. There could be no plea bargain or "deal" beforehand. On top of that, the young men were warned to never say that the elders told them to take this stand. They had to say it was their own position and that no one had influenced their decision in any way.

In the late 60's and early 70's, when the Vietnam war began winding down, the Society quietly softened this stance and the young men were allowed to actually seek out such alternative service. No apology was ever offered to those who went to prison unnecessarily. In fact, the blanking Society had the gall to print an article practically chastising those who dared feel that they had suffered needlessly due to the whims of Society policy.

I am not aware of any support offered by the Society or any efforts at all being made to mitigate the suffering of these men or their families who sacrificed so much for the Truth™.

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7 Things Most JW's Dont Know They're Supposed To Believe

by pale.emperor in

i decided to spend my sunday morning creating a youtube video highlighting 7 things most jw's dont know they're supposed to believe.

most of these i learned only after my exit of the cult.

here's hoping a few jw's will stumble upon it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44oc0p4ny&feature=youtu.be.

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pale.emperor, I hope you told that WT "rep" to fork off. I think your video is the very definition of "fair use."

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I found a list my Wife is makingof subjects i have told her about the BORG.

by goingthruthemotions in

so me and my wife have not been on speaking terms for about 5 weeks, and when we do .

talk…it is arguing about the jw cult and more of a barrage from me telling here all the stuff i have learned.

i know i shouldn't do this....but, i get so freaking p.o ed aobut what this cult has done to my family.

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You said there were a few things on your wife's list that you hadn't brought up. But they all look like perfectly valid points against the Borg to me. Hmmm...

I know I'm swimming against the stream, but MAYBE that list could indicate that some of what you said struck home and that she's beginning to think for herself after all. Any reasoning person could have come up with those "extra" points on her list, if they had allowed themselves to simply draw logical conclusions without the weight of preconceived notions bearing down. Where else would she have gotten such ideas?

Still, there are many smart posters here and several have given you very good advice about being prepared for the worst. Yes, be prepared to be kicked out on short notice. But really, why should you be the one to leave? If you've been paying all the bills, let her be the one to choose between living with someone who doesn't share her particular set of religious superstitions or fending for herself for a change. Just sayin'...

Oh yeah, while I'm on my soapbox, I might as well say it: I think you were perfectly justified to check her tablet to see if she was "building some kind of case" against you. You need to know what you're up against so you can prepare the best defense. Think of it as your version of Theocratic Warfare. What's good for the goose...

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CO visits me today

by Chook in

i'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.

so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).

so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.

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My hat's off to you, Chook! You da man!

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Recording of AH MacMillan and others

by dropoffyourkeylee in

here's an interesting website with a collection of recorded talks by many of the 'historic' people in the wt organization.

i only listened to one, by ah macmillan, from about 1960 or so, but there are many to choose from.

i can't imagine where they got a hold of these.. http://da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/pdf/other%20talks/.

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Thanks, jayvee! It took me a little figurin' to get it working, but now it's goin' like a champ!

FYI, I'm not going to clutter up my SSD with that crap, but I'll keep the steaming pile of spiritual food on an SD card just in case I ever need to prove that a certain person said this or that in a certain talk.

Many thanks to dropoffyourkeylee for sharing this gem of a resource with us.

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Recording of AH MacMillan and others

by dropoffyourkeylee in

here's an interesting website with a collection of recorded talks by many of the 'historic' people in the wt organization.

i only listened to one, by ah macmillan, from about 1960 or so, but there are many to choose from.

i can't imagine where they got a hold of these.. http://da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/pdf/other%20talks/.

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Over 1000 files! Does anyone know of a way to mass download them all instead of individually?

Don't get me wrong. I realize they're all probably chock-full of bovine effluvia. But having a recording might come in handy one day when someone says, "We never said that!"

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Pokemon Go banned in places of worship, becuase....

by stuckinarut2 in

just read a quote:.

"people want to ban pokemon go in places of worship, because they are sick of people coming inside chasing after imaginary beings".

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A statement dripping in irony if ever there was one...